I was thinking about Scott Jennings this week.

He’s a Republican political consultant and CNN commentator who frequently appears on Abby Phillip’s 10PM ET show CNN Newsnight.

Full disclosure: I like that show. From time to time over the past year, I’ve appeared on it (unpaid). But that’s not why I say this: With that program, Abby Phillip and her colleagues at CNN have achieved something rare in our country these days. She presides over a civic space where people on both sides of the Great Divide in America engage one another in conversation.

Now, sometimes that conversation is not very enlightening, or even discernible. There’s a lot of cross-talk, and some bluster and bunkum and hollering, and it can get downright tense at that table. We’re not talking the Oxford Union here.

But I don’t see any other place in American popular culture where this kind of conversation is happening, and the mere fact that the program’s large audiences on CNN and on social media get the chance to see other Americans trying out their talking points and delving into each other’s arguments is healthy for our country, even essential.

To me, civic conversation is the only way out of this mess we’re in, and sometimes—just as in our own lives and workplaces and families—it can get ugly and not particularly fruitful. But we can’t stop talking, because that would mean the slow death of our friendships, our workplaces, our families. Our democracy.

“What about the law"?”

Scott Jennings is a staunch supporter of President Trump, and his arguments are often tinged with the scorn and disingenuousness that characterize the dominant strain of MAGA discourse. People may find that annoying, but Jennings fights his corner with swiftness and bite. He’s clever.

But sometimes, the mask slips.

This week, Abby and her panel were on the air as work crews at the Kennedy Center began the court-ordered removal of Donald Trump’s name from the building, and from all other materials associated with the Center. It was a small but significant moment in our constitutional history, in the effort to check and to roll back Trump’s lawlessness in the executive office of our federal government, and to stand up to his ridiculous need to glorify himself above all other presidents, all other humans.

Trump and his lackeys, in the words of US District Judge Christopher Cooper:

“…violated the Kennedy Center’s organic statute in purporting to rename the Center for President Trump, and in taking steps to effectuate that official renaming, such as installing signage with Donald J. Trump’s name on the front portico of the Center, altering the Center’s website to name the Center for President Trump, and in issuing official materials naming the Center for President Trump.”

So it all had to come down. And Abby Phillip and her guests—including Jennings—were on the air, live on CNN, as it happened. Take a look.

Jennings had a tough draw on this one. No normal American approved of this act of vandalism. Trump slapping his own name on the Kennedy Center, in clear violation of the spirit and the letter of the law that established the place, reminds most normal, decent people how bizarre and indecent our president is. That is a lot of water—dirty water—to carry for Trump on national TV.

But when Abby Phillip reminded Jennings that what Trump had done was illegal, Jennings went full MAGA.

“What about the law?” she asks.

“What about it?!” he snaps back at her.

The high cost of going MAGA

And there you have it.

The moment when your devotion to one man destroys your loyalty to your country and its laws. For Scott Jennings in that moment, and for many in MAGA, Trump is the law.

And that is fundamentally un-American.

Scott Jennings’s moment came on live TV, and went viral with a vengeance on social media. And so he’s dealing with the mockery, rage, hatred and worse that this kind of moment produces. Praise, too, I’m sure, from the MAGA faithful. The algorithms feasted on him.

I feel a different emotion, though. Pity.

Scott Jennings was once a serious man. He was a rising star in Kentucky Republican politics, a protégé of Senator Mitch McConnell, and worked in the George W. Bush White House.

And on the afternoon or January 6, 2021, as Trump’s mob was attempting to seize control of the US Capitol—attacking police officers and baying for the blood of the Vice President and members of the House and Senate—Jennings wrote and published these words on the CNN website:

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“This is literally an insurrection…

“President Donald Trump caused this insurrection with his lies and conspiracy theories about the election process being rigged against him. It was not stolen, but this madness was fomented by the President and his top advisers over the past several months.

“Let me be clear: These rioters are not Republicans. These are not conservatives. These are not patriots bursting into the US Capitol, accosting police officers and destroying public property.

“These are domestic terrorists, and they ought to be treated like any other terrorist uprising with the full force and fury of the US government.”

What happened to Scott Jennings happened to a lot of Americans

What happened to the man who wrote those words—spoke those truths? Did he change his mind? His heart? His civic soul?

I don’t think so. Jennings is too clever to go all the way down the MAGA road of worshipful delusions, gleeful falsehoods, and constitutional vandalism. He knows better. But he also knows what pays in Trump’s America, like so many other prominent politicians and corporate chiefs and talking heads.

So when the mask slipped on CNN last week, I think what we saw was not Jennings’s true colors, an anti-democratic willingness to trample down our laws for Trump. What we saw was his insincerity. He didn’t change his mind. He changed his clothes, you might say.

There are always men like Scott Jennings in times like these. Always women like Nikki Haley and Tulsi Gabbard. They can change their principles like you might pick out a new suit or pair of glasses.

And it sure does pay. That’s the thing. That’s what so many Republicans and CEOs and talking heads have learned. It pays to bend with the winds in the Age of Trump.

But the cost to the rest of us, to our country, is devastating.

I said earlier that civic conversation is the only way out of the mess that Trump and MAGA have plunged us into. We must be able at some point, once again, to argue with one another productively, to share our beliefs and values and ideas for our country, to explain why we think each other wrong when it’s important to say so, and to do it all in such a way as to make progress together possible again.

And there is only one thing that civic conversation demands of each one of us as citizens: That we tell the truth about what we believe.

Our poem this week comes from Eastern Europe—again. The poets of the era of Soviet domination of those nations have much to teach us, alas.

It is by the Polish poet, Zbigniew Herbert,who wrote it in the late 1960s, a time of deep darkness for Poles. After the Nazi occupation had come the Soviet tyranny, and so this is not a hopeful poem.

Herbert invented an alter ego for himself, a character he named “Mr. Cogito.” In this poem, Mr. Cogito offers us a ringing yet hopeless manifesto: Bear witness, hold fast to truth, give thanks, stand up for what is right—even though none of it will save you.

—Terry

The Envoy of Mr. Cogito

by Zbigniew Herbert

Go where those others went to the dark boundary

for the golden fleece of nothingness your last prize

go upright among those who are on their knees

among those with their backs turned and those toppled in the dust

you were saved not in order to live

you have little time you must give testimony

be courageous when the mind deceives you be courageous

in the final account only this is important

and let your helpless Anger be like the sea

whenever you hear the voice of the insulted and beaten

let your sister Scorn not leave you

for the informers executioners cowards—they will win

they will go to your funeral and with relief will throw a lump of earth

the woodborer will write your smoothed-over biography

and do not forgive truly it is not in your power

to forgive in the name of those betrayed at dawn

beware however of unnecessary pride

keep looking at your clown’s face in the mirror

repeat: I was called—weren’t there better ones than I

beware of dryness of heart love the morning spring

the bird with an unknown name the winter oak

light on a wall the splendour of the sky

they don’t need your warm breath

they are there to say: no one will console you

be vigilant—when the light on the mountains gives the sign—arise and go

as long as blood turns in the breast your dark star

repeat old incantations of humanity fables and legends

because this is how you will attain the good you will not attain

repeat great words repeat them stubbornly

like those crossing the desert who perished in the sand

and they will reward you with what they have at hand

with the whip of laughter with murder on a garbage heap

go because only in this way will you be admitted to the company of cold skulls

to the company of your ancestors: Gilgamesh Hector Roland

the defenders of the kingdom without limit and the city of ashes

Be faithful Go

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Humberto Madera4 months ago

Can I apply for job on CNN to say stupid stuff and make stupid faces for big money. I can do that in my sleep.

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Alyce Bergbower4 months ago

Perhaps it does pay to espouse Trump and MAGA. And yes, it has great cost to the rest of us snd our country. But those who turn away from their previous beliefs to enjoy the spoils of trumpism pay a huge cost too. With each reversal, each repeat of the lies, with each support of the con, with each turn of the head and betrayal of conscience as they look away to gain the pay back of supporting the con, it erodes their soul, their conscience, their name and their face. That price might seem too distant, to ethereal, too unimportant initially. But they will have huge consequences to pay in the future for it. Especially if they honestly one day look in the mirror and have no face left, no recognition of who they are as a person. They will be left asking themselves “What have I become.”

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Dawna Stromsoe4 months ago

Terry, thank you. I recall Jennings was once upon a time long ago, a rational reasonable man. I wonder if he, like others too numerous to name, now actually sleep soundly at night…or have they turned into 24/7 soulless ghouls like Crypt Dweller Miller and the Frat Boy Idiot director.

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uRNangel4234 months ago

Thank you Terry for another great and appropriate poem and article. Sadly, I fear you have missed your calling and would have been an excellent English professor! Again thank you and hope your weekend was amazing!

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Donna Rogers4 months ago

Terry you could have been an English Professor in a previous life. The poems you choose for us are thought provoking and so many times heart/gut wrenching. Thank you for introducing us to them. PS Scott Jennings is nothing more than a twerp. What he used to be and what he is now are worlds apart. He should be given no credence what so ever today.

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Kathy Koblik4 months ago

Thank you for this heart-wrenching gift. It is to be read again and again. I will search this poet out as well. Agree with you that poets from totalitarian regimes have something for us. Appreciate the poem - also the respectful (yet true to your estimation) way you have of looking at people. THANKS

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Kathy Koblik4 months ago

Re Poets: sure that there are poets working amongst us now - (obviously Bruce Springsteen - but many others - including maybe some outside the detention centers. Maybe poets, bless them, will stir us and soothe us and witness for us) Here's something from the poetry of Anna Akhmatova ( her son and husband spent years the gulags - and her work was censored) this is a D. M. Thomas translation of a stanza and a repetition of something she wrote (from his Anna Ahkmatova Requiem and Poem Without a Hero):

No, not under a foreign heavenly-cope, and Not canopied by foreign wings -- I was with my people in those hours, There where, unhappily, my people were.

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Kathy Koblik4 months ago

Continuing from Akhmatova

"In the fearful years of the Yezhov terror I spent seventeen months in prison queues in Leningrad. One day somebody 'identified' me. Beside me, in the queue, there was a woman with blue lips. She had, of course, never heard of me; but she suddenly came out of that trance so common to us all and whispered in my ear (everybody spoke in whispers, there): 'Can you describe this?' and I said: 'Yes, I can.' And then something like the shadow of a smile crossed what once had been her face." 1 April 1957, Leningrad.

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Grumpy Liberal4 months ago

Scott Jennings is brash, disrespectful and arrogant. If that’s the kind of “discourse”we have to put up with, then let me be. It’s never what he says (though that sometimes raises the hackles), it’s the way that he says it. Dialogue is ideally 50% listening, 50% talking. Jennings listens only to the point that he can interrupt with his snarky, smarmy retorts. His affect is typical of the Trump bully. No thanks. Anyway, makes no difference since Bari Weiss ascends to the CNN throne this week, adding one more shouting voice to the MAGA chorus.

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Deborah Petrina4 months ago

Love your point about dialogue.

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Sharon McCormick4 months ago

"We must be able at some point, once again, to..." I cried yesterday. I cried as countless White Sox fans rose to their feet in their own ballpark to cheer Yoshinobu Yamamoto as he left the field after coming so very close to a no-hitter at virtually the last minute through no fault of his own. When he walked off the mound with his head held high, the stadium roared. White Sox fans cheering a Dodger pitcher? I cried for my country, for who we can be. Again. Still.

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Evan Shumeyko4 months ago

“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” ― Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night

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Wynn4 months ago

Thanks Terry for another one of your journalistic masterpieces. So very well said about CNN and Scott Jennings. You’ve once again spoke volumes of truth. Oh how I always look forward to your wonderful Sunday Poems and this week’s selection is no exception. It’s so apropos to this moment.

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Star Aasved4 months ago

How disappointing that there are those who change their clothes for personal gain but, no doubt, we’ll see more of this in the future. At this point, I feel it may be beyond the Democrats or real Republicans to repair the damage caused by Trump and his minions. However, I shall cling to hope that there are those like Mr. Cogito who will urge truthful telling of events and that it will turn things around.

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Susan Miville4 months ago

The poem is bleak but rousing, it perfectly captures the sentiment of your essay. We have to face the reality of human nature before we can attain any form of redemption.

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Deborah Petrina4 months ago

Civic conversation, another term for diplomacy, has existed despite other dire situations in our country since it was established. Until it becomes the mainstay once again, the rule of law still exists. Recent examples include federal judges ordering Trump’s name be taken down from Kennedy Center, and the Trump administration to restore signs that banned 'negative' signage at national parks that allegedly cast America in a negative light.

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Michele4 months ago

Well said, Terry! Thank you for fighting the fight with us and sharing with us the most appropriate poems and words. You are my hero!!

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Kathy Koblik4 months ago

Word

as the kids USED to say

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Kathy K4 months ago

Oh my. Chilling poem.

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Carmon Flanigan Conover4 months ago

Wow. That poem. In church today the sermon was on Psalm 120, a "pilgrim's lament." This is the reality we are given, and we must do the right thing because it is the right thing to do, not because it is the winning side or will gain us accolades. In fact, it may lead to the end of our "warm breath." But still, we must go. Thank you.

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Bridget O4 months ago

It’s a cynical poem, but fitting. We ARE cynical, or getting there. It’s hard not to. When everyone in power kowtows to the birthday boy to gain favor and every little victory against is hard fought (like the removal of his name from the Kennedy Center). It’s tiring to be cynical all the time. Maybe that’s why people give up. But that’s the whole point. To wear us down so we stop fighting. But we can’t stop. We owe it to our children and our grandchildren.

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Greg Bee4 months ago

I agree, a self-confessed cynic. Cynicism is my intimate, empowering coping mechanism and friend...who often seeks to confine me in a prison of my own making. I appreciate your words, Bridgette. I don't know if I'm more exhausted by my own caring, or the lack of caring by (seemingly)most others.

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Robert Lawrence Gioia4 months ago

I consider people like Scott Jennings and people who bend over backwards for Trump as actors that will pledge allegiance to what is paying more $ at that point in time. Social Media personalities that were pro Trump are seeing the end and changing tune. What surprised me is lifelong friends who still support Trump and I believe it's because of tv and SM personalities

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Deborah Petrina4 months ago

I agree, but add that I have lifelong relatives and friends who believe (incredably) that Trump is a great leader, businessman, and/or supports the military through strength. We (who are civil) just agree to disagree. And then there are the Christian nationals...

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Just Fairview4 months ago

Right now, it pays to be proTrump but my worry is that Trump's corruption has welcomed the billionaires into the people's government. Trump will fade away, the corruption will continue. Scott Jennings will be amply rewarded by the Ellison's takeover of CNN , the public, once again, will be poorer.

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Heather Menninger Visscher4 months ago

A powerful poem. I am going to save it. Thank you.